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iNdabandaba on 'homosexuality' - Sunday Class 101

11 years ago | 20379 Views
Only God can judge us, so lets stop acting God - Final draft Constitution outlaws 'homosexuality'.

Maqhawe: If the God you speak about is the same as the creator of Heaven and earth then you will agree with me that He outlawed that practice,its evil!
urton: God,all by himself had to leave his holy habitation to destroy a city that practised it.Re
INdaba Ndaba: I mean the same God who said we should not judge

INdaba Ndaba: if we outlaw, we are judging and thats not what christians stand for

Arthminding someone wat God says is not judging.Above all,we hve male and female.

INdaba Ndaba: Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly with honesty and justice, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other ignoble means, His judgment of us will reflect it and judging with fairness and compassion will garner likewise in His judgment of us]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite* [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense thinking of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother's eye [to judge and to help him out of his bondage to sin]." At Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan, Jesus was talking to the multitudes gathered there after hearing of His message and of His healings to beseech them to not become like the pharisees and hypocrites who think they are above sin.

Methuli: we pray each and everyday that wisdom be given to our leaders to pass righteous laws, and when they finally do we critises again, this is not a matter of judging its simply a matter of doing whats right, if what has been done here puts a smile on God's face and shames the devil then thumbs up

Hlangabeza: The gays and lesbians have a right to live and as such the constitution should acknowledge their presence and their rights should be respected.The same goes for all the handicapped in our society.Who are we to judge? They politicians are treating this issue lightly and all they are after is to gain political milleage and nothing else.Let us think like adults parents and stop this culture of dictatorship.Every parent stands an equal chance of bearing a child born with such abnormalities.In such a situation do u then disown them or what? I am straight myself but i think people should learn to accept what god has created.

INdaba Ndaba: so u want these pple to keep sodomising kids in closed doors coz they are not allowed to go in the open looking for others like them

INdaba Ndaba: @Hlangabeza u r 100% correct this can happen to any parent

Sizwile: ‎@indaba indaba here u trying justfy what is wrong in what ever situation gaism its rubbish,so tall us why my God destroyed Sodoma and Gomora?,so we should accept thieves in our society because God said do not judge?i hate gays with all my heart.

Hlangabeza: ‎@Sizwile : What would you do if one of your children turns out to have this abnormality?

Methuli: God created humans not gays @Hlangabeza, as a Christian i love everyone including gays but i hate what they are doing because the bible lets us know that that is sin and we should hate sin

INdaba Ndaba: ‎@Sizwile uzokuthini if one day yo boy comes home to tell u he likes men not women

Maxwell: i do respect our african values and culture that regard such sexual deviation as wrong and unacceptable. the very fact that indaba goes to such lengthy trying to justify homosexuality means there is something is wrong.the arguement that some people are born that way is not enough and fails to hold any water.what explaination do yu have for a dude who that says he is in love with his own mother simply because he was born that way-we will definitely end up with a group of protesters crying for their rights to have sex with their mothers recognised.Gayism is as foreign to africa as aliens are to this mother earth.

INdaba Ndaba: ‎@Maxwell thats called learning disability and they too have rights and its our duty to help them see that its not right by giving them medical help or counselling but no shun them

Maqhawe: there is a scripture in James which said if you see a brother sinning and dont chastise him the sin falls on you as well.why go to such lengths to justify sin?God has laws and wants them obeyed at all is about judgement anyway,otherwise hw wld we kno wrong from right?Big up to our President on that!

Hlangabeza: ‎@Maxwell:Christianity is also a foreign religion that we imported.The Biology that i learnt at high school taught me that there are chances that a child can be born with this abnormality. This innocent child does not choose to have feelings that are not in tandem with their sexual organs as they appear from the outside.So what do we do with this kind of situation.Civilisation is taking too long to be embraced in Africa that is why in some societies they kill albinos because of lack of knowledge and with the same arguments e.g african values do not allow this,the bible this,the bible that.For your information the bible was not written by God.The people who wrote it did it in such a way that it suits their individual selfish needs in some cases, for example, the bible does allow women to lead men but now we have women that are doing well in leadership positions than their male counterparts etc etcThe civilised world has accepted these groups of people and whether you like it or not that civilisation is already knocking at our doors.The sooner you realise and accept that the better for you.

Sizwile: ‎@Hlangabeza: and indaba indaba before i answer your qstn pliz tell me wht would you say if your son says am now a thief?come back to ur qstn mina with all my heart i wont accept an inhuman thing to destroy my family and my God i believe in he will never give me something like this,its satanism devilsh

INdaba Ndaba: ‎"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

Thulani: Leviticus 18v22 ungalali nowesilisa njenganowesifazane,kuyisinengiso, meaning it's disgusting,extract from God's constitution,the Holy Bible,pray for a bad habbit to go away,the devil is deciever why would another man wish to breath on another man's neck?

INdaba Ndaba: I'LL surely educate him about his deeds and offer him help but will never shun him

Hlangabeza: ‎@Sizwile: You cannot compare a thief to someone who is born with a handicap without his choice.A thief chooses to be a thief and a homesexual is born a homosexual.

INdaba Ndaba: ‎@Thulani I knew u wouldn't miss this discussion lol

Josephine: Mina sometimes I feel eyinye I homosexuality sokungani yifashion. Abanye sebeyizama just for the fun of it not ukuthi they were born homosexual. I could be wrong though.

INdaba Ndaba: U can tell from a young age that someone is gay, thats explains - pple r born gay

INdaba Ndaba: ‎@Josephine: u're 100% correct labo kuthiwa ngama lema or rema

Henry: Maseko ha-ha-ha @Indaba, lamhlanje uvuke ubhova!

INdaba Ndaba: ngisesontweni lapha sifunda nge 'homosexuality', my bible is just by my side

Maqhawe: Hlangabeza & Indaba Ndaba - so homosexuality as a handicap only occurs in humans & not to animals? Secondly all these laws & statutes should be thrown away since they are not natural, that is, they are not God penciled or created? Thirdly is the
bible the yard stuck for things that we do and are our laws crafted according to the bible? If so why for example do we have liquor outlets in the first place amongst many things?

Josephine: Mina ke Indaba I feel we should not embrace homosexuality coz we will be encouraging lama rema lawo

INdaba Ndaba: ‎@Josephine have you ever met anyone who was once married and lived a normal family life, elabantana but after 20yrs of married ended up eseGay?

Arthurton: ‎@Indaba,why dont u bring all thez philosophies when theft is considered a crime????Our constitution or criminal law go against so many thingz like rape,theft....etc.Why dont u defend e thieves and rapists?

Thulani: Yinto entsha le sengibuze amakhehla lezalukazi bathi kabayazi lento,futhi kalikho ikhehla noma isalukazi sestabane ebantwini abansundu,amazing indeed,cde mugabe i despise you but we share common ground on this one!!

Maxwell: Hlangabeza-i respect yo view but i didnt say anythign foreign is wrong, the list for many good foreign values is endless but the fact that david cameroon is prepared to fund or pay rather those african governments willing to embrace homosexuality is astounding.this shud surely knock some sense into african heads. Values are mutually xchanged not by imposition. do they sanction polygam in the western culture? why not agree to a fair exchange Zuma becomes gay and cameroon get all his wives.

Sizwile: ‎@Hlangabeza NO to be homosexual you choose to BE,you knoe what i will accept gays happy nw now?but under these conditions i accept gays as thieves and they must given heavy sentences if they are found practising it and no marriage.

INdaba Ndaba: ‎@Maqhawe there are disabilities that only ocurs to other animals but not all, am afred this one is one of them - mina ngithi let not shun them but respect their existance after all its not contagious

INdaba Ndaba: isela lizazikhethelayou r not born a thief

INdaba Ndaba: ‎@Maxwell cameron is not gay remember

Arthurton: ‎@Indaba,why not respect thieves and rapists?

INdaba Ndaba: ‎@Arthurton theft and rapist are not born but made

Arthurton: So who says gayz are not made,so you are saying it was God's plan to have gays,Sodom n Gomorah was a city of gays??Were they born or made??

INdaba Ndaba: Thank you guys for sharing your thoughts on this issue otherwise today's Sunday class ends here - see u next - Sunday God Bless

Josephine: ‎@ Indaba ,no I've only seen one lady on Oprah who had adult children but went on to hve a relationship with another woman. What's your point?

Sizwile: ‎@indaba lesitane siyazikhethela tats a BIG lie ukuthi bazalwa benjalo so lina lithi ubutabane yikugogeka ngamanga lawo,yikuzenzisa

Maqhawe: ‎@Indaba Ndaba I beg to differ on that one even if I am not a doctor. Lets not wrongly define homsexuality as a handicap. Anyone can be involved in incest, sodomy, polygamy etc but thats not being handicaped. Izigoga/handicaps can one way or the other be treated of their disabilities... So y not homosexuals? Let them be counselled. ...even b4 the so called civilization and even during barbaric years there was no homosexuality but incest and polygamy. So these laws of the 'civilized' are suppressive as well to those who eat human flesh. Society to society some things are taboo and others an abomination.
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Anonymous user 11 years
liyahlanya lina, hands up 4 ths guy who got i spot on akulasalukazi sestabane esinsundu. N u speak of the bible being written by individuals when the same information about kids being born gay was written by individuals too. Americans n co failed themselves whn thy sanctioned gaysm n thy hate 2 c Africans pass that test n now Cameron wants to force us into accepting gays. God forbid. I would rather 've Zuma keep his wifes. At least thts African
Anonymous user 11 years
Cdes i feel thre's confusn on thse words, Rights,Crime &Sin. In shona th bible say ''Chivi chinonyadzisa kurudzi rupi norupi.''our ancenstors, tho nt christians outlawed homosexulity, similar 2 Cameron's b4 thy err. So it was sin and crime bcoz no religion on earth or gvnment wld stand tht being done openly and secretely. Nw wth th dawn of th animal called rights,whch i would lyke to describe as th tym when many woshpers hv lost their first love, a sinner( by past defntn) is now demanding respect & recognition. Why? Leave th word civlsatn alone bcoz even a fool cn tell btwn a male & female. Being born wth a male organ is a msge enough to say u need a female partner. We cannot(as homosxls) hv a Right to Sin but Sinners thn go to hell if don't repent.
Anonymous user 11 years
Lingavotela uTshwngirayi uzalilethela izitabane efuna ukuthabisa abangane bakhe ondlebezikhanyilanga aba immoral. Ubutabane yibunja, yikho iSodoma le Gomora kwabhujiswa. esiNtwini ayisiyondaba yokukhulunywa leyo, yindaba yenhlanya oTshwangirayi lama[Some people] akhe abolileyo oHague labo Bankmoon.
Anonymous user 11 years
ubutabane ibhayibheli alibuvumi, bungcolile kakhulu. Yibunja lobo. Lingalandeli ama[Some people] ngoba ama[Some people] yizinja ezingahloniphiyo.
Anonymous user 11 years
[Some people] are dogs thus why they practice homosexuality. They are immoral vampires, barbarians, satanists, infidels who want everyone to be a sinner like them.
Anonymous user 11 years
I am a gay person. I always felt weird as a kid and would not believe that I could be "one of those gross lesbians"
I did everything I could with my mind and life to be straight becuase I believed, like many of you who have commented here, that it is wrong, evil, disgusting and more. But by age 35 and trying to be honest with the people I cared for in my life, family, friends even male lovers I realised that I am not an ugly person. I am not revolting, I am actually a caring peron and have always tried to live a good life and help others whenever I could. I am a teacher and have been much loved by many pupils who have gone on to succeed and live wonderful lives. Luckily I too found happiness and though it took years, I have learned that despite the kinds of things said - as many of you have said, I can accept who I am. I was created this way by God and I can and will continue to live a life which benefits others, whether they are straight or gay. Diversity is life. Please look closely at the Seahorse, the hyena and even the humble snail to see that Gods plan extends much much further than that a man and a woman are the only kind of valid relationship in the world. Our natural world is being threatened now by the impact of humans, too many of them. Study how successful other creatures are that have many helpers raising the young of a related pair. I help my brothers and sisters with their children. I love them and they love me. They know I am gay and it makes no difference to them. I myself have had to accept being Gay as a blessing if I make it so. Your comments hurt though. But I hope my comments do not hurt you.
Anonymous user 11 years
if you were born male then why try to be female are you saying God made a mistake or are you simply ungrateful and not content with what God made ... lets face the facts when we try to change who we really are we do it at our own will not by the will of God.. im not judging you but im informing you , i can not change you but all i can do is pray for Gods grace to be upon you. bt im not saying you are right never...
Anonymous user 11 years
I quote President Mugabe... "HAKUNA INE PWERE!!!" until gays start reproducing on their own without the need for a heterosexual union then we could consider accepting them.
Anonymous user 11 years
sad to see people quick to judge ah zimbabweans very intelligent people with horrible social ,moral and civil fiber ! Many would accept a car from that brother who made it EGOLI with no grade seven english pass let alone can sign his own signature kodwa ke when someone says I AM GAY you see RED. Should i remind you how you looted your own shops jaggers markro during the so called price freeze madness . For a people who discovered diesel on a ROCK liyazama shame ? oh by the way i am zimbabwean .LEAVE gay people to be and for those who are gay stop seeking attention from a society that is quick to crucify anyone who does not fit in their glove and hand mantra
Anonymous user 11 years
and please stop obsessing about reproduction there is more to life than your sexuality
Anonymous user 8 years
God cannot create something then later condemn it as sin. Homosexuality is not God's idea. Should we then hate our siblings who are homosexuals? NO, yet we'll tell them the truth so that they choose. We will not force you to believe but the Bible says so in 1 Corinthians 6. Choose whom you will serve. The bottom line is, God HATES homosexuality and those who practise it, if they intend to go to heaven, they must forget. The truth is as is.
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